tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3647535028551977680.post4483932688988829736..comments2023-08-25T07:59:52.853-04:00Comments on Tyrian Express: Is "Innovation" dying in the MMO genreElementalistlyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17536627257855895757noreply@blogger.comBlogger14125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3647535028551977680.post-55874104686592940032009-02-25T13:09:00.000-05:002009-02-25T13:09:00.000-05:00@Jeffthe immersion of LotroUh sorry, LOTRO has NO ...@Jeff<BR/><I>the immersion of Lotro</I><BR/><BR/>Uh sorry, LOTRO has NO IMMERSION...so as long as the game adds immersion unlike LOTRO...then I will be happy.Elementalistlyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17536627257855895757noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3647535028551977680.post-81062745608395311372009-02-25T12:05:00.000-05:002009-02-25T12:05:00.000-05:00Yes Runes does look good! And Wizard 101 sounds gr...Yes Runes does look good! And Wizard 101 sounds great. I can attest to Atlantica online bringing some cool play to the table. And look how many people signed up for AoC and WAR - there still is a huge audience for the old and familiar.<BR/><BR/>Openedge - "It is a tough road ahead, as most of the original conventions have been played out for MMO vets (in my opinion)."<BR/><BR/>Thats a very good point. Still I imagine if someone came out with something that offered the immersion of Lotro, the crafting of EQ2, the PvP of WAR, the charm and humor of WoW - it would generate a huge audience (i'd be one), all w/o really changing the EQ/mud mechanic.<BR/><BR/>So since there is money to be made , I doubt the big guys will venture too far from the formula. That leaves it up to the little guys. Go go indy devs!Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13855421288341342176noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3647535028551977680.post-75093358539003467842009-02-25T11:46:00.000-05:002009-02-25T11:46:00.000-05:00Runes of Magic is off to a decent start, if Saylah...Runes of Magic is off to a decent start, if Saylah is any indication.Teshhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11760350503235227686noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3647535028551977680.post-20967578464217186392009-02-25T07:40:00.000-05:002009-02-25T07:40:00.000-05:00@jeffThat my friend is a good comment...Hope it ha...@jeff<BR/><BR/>That my friend is a good comment...<BR/>Hope it happens quicklyElementalistlyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17536627257855895757noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3647535028551977680.post-43394703535626264312009-02-25T01:26:00.000-05:002009-02-25T01:26:00.000-05:00IMO well start to see innovation when all the F2P ...IMO well start to see innovation when all the F2P mmos coming out mimic the subscription based ones so well that gamers will no longer feel obligated to pay Sony and Blizzard $15/mo.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13855421288341342176noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3647535028551977680.post-86143271707527703252009-02-24T14:38:00.000-05:002009-02-24T14:38:00.000-05:00Battleforge looks interesting on the RTS front.Puz...Battleforge looks interesting on the RTS front.<BR/><BR/>Puzzle Quest was a very fun mishmash of genres, and PQ: Galactrix looks to be even better.<BR/><BR/>I tend to think that MMO innovation will have to start taking some radical steps, all the way from the baseline assumptions about business models to the assumption that combat and levels (the DIKU DNA) is the core of an MMO. We've seen a lot of "meeee too" game design from those who covet Blizzard's balance sheet, but precious little in the way of carving out a new niche.<BR/><BR/>I'm actually not interested in making an MMO to steal WoW's lunch, so I'm not interested in copying their methodology. I want to find new people and those who would rather not play WoW. I think that's the only way to expand the genre and build a business in WoW's shadow.Teshhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11760350503235227686noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3647535028551977680.post-87102965860351323842009-02-24T14:22:00.000-05:002009-02-24T14:22:00.000-05:00Just to clarify, JGE (and JGC before it) is *not* ...Just to clarify, JGE (and JGC before it) is *not* an EVE clone, it's more a Freelancer/Privateer clone only massively multiplayer. Apples and Oranges to EVE's gameplay.<BR/><BR/>I don't know that a blanket "innovation" (meaning "the genre" as a whole moves with each single innovation, at which point it's standard not innovative) is needed as much as I'd like studios to just make their own individual games. Practically every MMO plays the same. WASD to move, TAB to lock onto a target, press/click hotbars for combat. Move icons around a grid for inventory management. That's why I'm pretty much done with the whole thing. I'm not chasing every new shiny anymore; AoC and especially WAR broke me of that. I've chosen LOTRO as my official traditional DikuMMO and while I may tour others occasionally, I have turned in my MMO Hopper badge. There's just no point when I'm just doing the exact same thing every damned time.Talynhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17848472705380445923noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3647535028551977680.post-65806645019321361572009-02-24T12:16:00.000-05:002009-02-24T12:16:00.000-05:00@adingworldAnd there is the rub. How do you bring ...@adingworld<BR/><BR/>And there is the rub. How do you bring in NEW players while satisfying old players? <BR/>It is a tough road ahead, as most of the original conventions have been played out for MMO vets (in my opinion).<BR/>Of course, I like a certain style of game, and as long as that style is fun, I will always come back...but it needs to have something that I have NOT done before...<BR/>Do others agree? Or will you play another game that is exactly like the old game?Elementalistlyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17536627257855895757noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3647535028551977680.post-54442456071131554242009-02-24T12:05:00.000-05:002009-02-24T12:05:00.000-05:00As Eric@Elder Game says, innovation in itself does...As Eric@Elder Game says, innovation in itself does equal fun. <BR/>Many newer MMOs tackle combat mechanics in a different way, but that does not mean that the game itself will be a success or much more fun.<BR/><BR/>The question if MMO game companies can innovate is not so much an issue as "can they bring refreshing and interesting games to existing _and_ new audiences"?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3647535028551977680.post-63982168338708598132009-02-24T11:56:00.000-05:002009-02-24T11:56:00.000-05:00Good points AishaI disagree on Darkfall as it just...Good points Aisha<BR/>I disagree on Darkfall as it just seems to be a step back, and UN-innovates the genre. But, EvE really brought a new concept into the gameplay, too bad it already is getting it's own clone (Jumpgate).<BR/>The thought of the more open world syystem could be an innovator though.<BR/>Brenda has also mentioned this. User created content may be key.<BR/>Imagine for example one player wants materials to make a shield. Then that player could post on a bulletin board in the local town how they wish to have an adventurer gather these mats...<BR/>As players compete to get these mats, they get the XP from kills, and then who ever turns in the items first gets the big reward..<BR/><BR/>Stuff like that..kinda like our own D&D game where anyone can be a dungeon master...lol.<BR/><BR/>Ah well. For now, 2009 is going to be a stale year..wonder what is down the road?Elementalistlyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17536627257855895757noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3647535028551977680.post-52564759724222968042009-02-24T11:51:00.000-05:002009-02-24T11:51:00.000-05:00My idea of a sandbox is there's so much to do that...My idea of a sandbox is there's so much to do that I have to really think about what I want to do.<BR/><BR/>Unfortunately most MMO sandboxes have been empty shells of games with very little to do and I'm supposed to "bring my own fun." Sorry, but the point of me shelling out dollars is that I'm buying some fun. If I'm bringing my own fun, then I should get paid for it.<BR/><BR/>How do we solve Kill Ten Rats quests? Or Fetch quests? I keep hearing how awesome Fallout 3 is but guess what? Aside from starting out slow and boring me to tears, I've been doing Fetch and Kill Ten Rats. The Kotaku article complained about the text being boring so he just clicked through. That's common in every MMO I've played, except LOTRO. I find the quest text there entertaining so I read it even if I don't really care about the NPC's life or drama or whatever. However, as well-written as I think they might be, they're only good the first time. Repeating them with an alt = click through.<BR/><BR/>I can't help but make a funny look when the same players who complain about KTR quests are the ones who'd just rather go out and kill a few hundred rats on their own. So? Do it. Joe NPC is just offering some additional compensation for the first ten...Talynhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17848472705380445923noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3647535028551977680.post-2164876340377912092009-02-24T11:16:00.000-05:002009-02-24T11:16:00.000-05:00Great topic! I know that you've focused on combat ...Great topic! I know that you've focused on combat mechanics, but I'd like to see more innovation in larger-scale game design. <BR/><BR/>With Darkfall coming out this week, the word 'sandbox' is being thrown around alot. But like many discussions of Darkfall, people are ignoring what that word can mean for great mmo design. <BR/><BR/>I'll admit I'm a huge fan of Eve. But what I love about the game is the ways people can approach it. Sure, tons of people just do missions, or mine, or go out to 0.0 to pvp. But there are some great corps in that game that really are INNOVATIVE.<BR/><BR/>There's the whole secondary market of IPO's, bonds and banks. While people can point to the scams, there are honest people looking to provide a meta-service. There are drug dealers who do the hard work of manufacturing drugs, smuggling it past the NPC customs agents, making deals with individuals, corps, and alliances.<BR/><BR/>I want a game where I can honestly ask myself, "What do you want to do?" The answer I come up with ought to be possible in a good mmo .. it may not be easy or profitable .. but a good idea contributes to the vitality of the community.Aisha Kohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16773600412902335812noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3647535028551977680.post-299952584898065942009-02-24T11:09:00.000-05:002009-02-24T11:09:00.000-05:00AgreedAnd the fact Spellborn, though being "differ...Agreed<BR/>And the fact Spellborn, though being "different" in combat, still has a supposed multitude of kill 10 x and fetch quests to make your eyes water.<BR/><BR/>What could really be considered innovative? Maybe a new genre? (Like World of Darkness or Secret World with their Horror Survival bent)...or a change to HOW questing is done based on challenges and not how many critters you can kill for XP. Maybe a system of "accomplishments" to equal a level.<BR/>Goals?<BR/><BR/>Not sure...Elementalistlyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17536627257855895757noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3647535028551977680.post-53689929808786091972009-02-24T09:55:00.000-05:002009-02-24T09:55:00.000-05:00Spellborn also changes this up. But I don't think ...Spellborn also changes this up. But I don't think it is the wave of the future. <BR/><BR/>Like the other games mentioned, combat becomes far faster and more frantic, but it's still just a way to empty the health bar of your target.<BR/><BR/>The question is, how difficult do you want it to be to empty your enemy's health bar?<BR/><BR/>What if there WERE no health bar? That's the kind of question that could change MMO combat, not whether or not it's real time, or auto target lock, or whatever.Tipahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07828719420913764824noreply@blogger.com